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Shamoun's Lowly Character

Sam thinks he can beat everyone in a debate and that he has already done so. Things have not even happened yet he can predict with certainty outcomes. He thinks no one can answer him. Check out a list of answers right here.

Friday, September 30, 2011

Sam Shamoun and Keith - DEBATE IS STILL OPEN YOU COWARDS STOP LYING AND COME FORTH

THE COWARDS MADE A VIDEO LYING THAT I'M RUNNING AWAY FROM THE DEBATE.  BUT I CAUGHT THEM RED HANDED.  THE DEBATE IS OPEN YOU COWARDS WHO IS RUNNING? I'M HERE, STOP BEING BABIES DROPP ONE OF YOUR TITLES EITHER Is Muhammad a prophet or Does Islam teach taw heed?  We can give you WHAT YOU ARE CRYING FOR DOES THE BIBLE THEACH THE TRINITY, AND I'LL HAVE MY TWO TITLES?

I HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT CLEAR IN MY SEPT 20 VIDEO YET YOU MADE A SHALLOW LYING ATTEMPT TO LIE AND YOU WERE CAUGHT. YOU CLAIM I MADE AN OFFICIAL BACKDOWN WHILE I'M SAYING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH ONE DAY BEFORE HIS SEPTEMBER 19TH VIDEO



  For example you drop one of you titles and take upon the DOES THE BIBLE TEACH THE TRINITY? So you would have that title and one more which ever you choose from MUHAMAMD A TRUE PROPHET AND DOES ISLAM TEACH TAWHEED? WHILE I WILL TAKE PAUL A TRUE PROPHET OR APOSTLE, AND IS THE TRINITY THE TRUE PATH TO GOD? 

THAT WAY YOU HAVE picked 2 titles and I have picked 2 titles.... HOW ABOUT THAT?

BUT one thing is you need to stop being a baby both you and Sam as you have just exposed yourself big time with your YOU HONESTLY THINK SAM WOULD WANT TO SET UP A FULL MODERATE DEBATE ON THAT ISSUE ALONE?

HONESTLY - YES I DON'T JUST THINNK IT I KNOW IT AS I HAVE HIS OWN WORDS WRITTEN... SO KEITH FALSE stop lying and be a man and accept that you guys are afraid.

Do we have a debate or not? TELL ME WHICH OF YOUR TITLES DO YOU WANT TO DROPP IN ORDER TO TAKE UP DOES THE BIBLE TEACH THE TRINITY OR NOT?

Keith and Sam caught lying again and distorting information

When things did not go their way, Keith and Sam decided to lie again that I'm running away from their debate. He came up with this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki5tC56UDwU&feature=channel_video_title

Well here is the full discussion reproduced again


I SAID

Well Here we go
I gave you the option of taking it up - your 3rd title by dropping one of yours and still I'm the one stalling... you said I'm running away.. I'm giving you all the options and bending over backwards for you guys which you don't deserve and you calling me a coward?


especially the last few responses where I'm showing them that AFTER THEM RUNNING AWAY AND ME MAKING CONCESSIONS AND GIVING IN SO MUCH TO THEM, EVEN WILLING TO ACCEPT THEIR FINAL SO CALLED TRINITY IN THE BIBLE (EVEN THOUGH INITIALLY in this debate I was not willing to do it - THEY KEEP BRINGING THE VIDEO OF 7 MONTHS AGO WHERE I SAID I WOULD DEBATE THIS TOPIC - HELLO THIS IS A NEW DEBATE A NEW PLATFORM AND I'M ENTITLED TO MY 2 TITLES - BUT THESE COWARDS WANTED TO PUT 3 OF THEIR OWN AND ONLY 1 OF MINE).

SO THEY SAID I'M RUNNING - WELL I MADE IN THE END ANOTHER CONCESSION AND THAT WAS SAYING - fine you want the TRINITY IN THE BIBLE than you have to give up one of your other titles.   Just for the sake of doing this debate I bent over backwards for these liars and still THEY SAID I'M RUNNING.

THE DEBATE IS STILL OPEN YOU LIARS - I'M WILLING TO DEBATE ANY DAY.. AND YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR TRINITY IN THE BIBLE TITLE - BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 2 TITLES SO YOU HAVE TO DROPP ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS ONES. 2 TITLES FROM YOU 2 FROM ME.  YOU COWARDS ... RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU HA? 

Wednesday, September 28, 2011

Saturday, September 24, 2011

Sam Shamon and Keith blocked me .. it seems that they do that to anyone who catches them for the hypocrites they are

Well there it is people.. blocked again when YOU SHOW PROOFS WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.  I SHOWED THAT Sam and Keith were a bunch of liars and double standard hypocrites.  It took a while but Alhamdulilah Allah exposes the evil doers.

Here is their last comment ... I was blocked


Listen dude, you had the chance to debate but you are afraid to defend that which you claimed you could address - namely that the proofs for the Trinity and deity of Christ in the Bible (NT/OT). In our discussion on Hubal you said you could and would debate that. But when challenged to defend your previous claims and position you backed down. Everyone knows that now. The point is you're not worth wasting all this time on. You had your chance. As for the black stone you don't know English. I already told you Sam wanted to debate the black stone issue in the context of the broader topic of Muhammad's teachings in a debate on 'Is Muhammad a true prophet?' The fact that you can't comprehend basic things like this really shows how blind you are on every level. I'm done dealing with you since you're a coward. Do as you wish and lie all you want. I am blocking you now since you are mental or something. Try to email Sam on your own or something.

I did e mail Sam but he did not respond and chose you as his spokesperson or secretary.  I know English better than you or Sam, and so does a 5 year old child who can read what Sam said:

"DEBATE ME ON WHETHER YOU MUSLIMS ARE PAGAN IDOLATORS FOR SMOOCHING A BLACK STONE?

step up to the plate and face me like a man. You know you won';t because you know I will expose you and your idolatrous black stone smooching. :-)

If you have the guts to to do so then please email me so I can set up the debate on ABN for all to see what I do to you and your pagan beliefs." END QUOTE 



So I was blocked 


Another brother who tried to engage Shamoun nicely was blocked.... 



ME- r u interested in a debate in a few months 

SHAMOUN- With you? My pleasure? First, I would like you debate me on whether Muhammad is a rue prophet or an antichrist. Let me know if you are not like this coward Jibreel, and have the courage to debate me on your prophet 

ME- its not me who wants to debate, its somebody i know,i'll get him to mail u,he is going away for a while but when his back,he wants to debate, the first topic he wants to debate is is muhammad prophesised in the bible the second one he wants to debate is is jesus god by the way i dnt know y your claimin jibreelk is a coward as far as i know he said he wud have a live debate with u if u apologise for all the abusive behaviour you've done in the past by the way my friend said he will debate on the condition that u keep it respectful and dnt resort to name calling,and insults 


SHAMOUN- Here we go with the games again. I hope you are not here to waste my time. The first debate will be is Muhammad a true prophet or an antichrist. The second debate will be is Muhammad prophesied in the Bible. The third debate will be is Jesus God, since then I will prove that Jesus is Muhammad God and Judge according to Islamic theology. Let me know if your friend accepts. 
Let me know if he accepts since I will set them up a.s.a.p. 

ME- first debate is,is muhammad prophesised in the bible,2nd is,is jesus god,if you do these 2 debates in proper manners,than we will see about the topic,is muhammad a true prophet.(give me some examples of what u mean by the topic,is muhammad a true prophet OR AN ANTI CHRIST) just so i know what u mean,we can maybe set up,is muhammad a true prophet but i dnt know about the anti christ thing unless u explain it to me 


SHAMOUN- Another real quick point. You guys need to stop with your games and false accusations about me insulting others. My debates are proof that I don't mock or insult people unless they do. JibreelK, Yahya, Sami Zaatari, Bassam Zawadi, Osama etc. are all street trash thugs who like to lie, slander, insult, and ridicule people. If your friend is a gentleman who is respectful then I will go out of my way to respect him. 


ME- 2 b fair, against shabir ally and farhan qureshi u was decent and respectful, we all lose it including me,but we will do these debates on a positive vibe,u give your view on why u disagree with our points and vice versa,no ad hominem and aggressiveness,just a calm debate or dialogue,he is going away for a while as soon as he is back,we'll contact u 2 arrange 2 dates because both subjects cannot b discussed in one day and we'll start promoting from than 


SHAMOUN- You don't tell me what to do. I am not your dhimmi and it is not your show. Let your friend know about the three debates and if he accepts. Don't waste my time with your games. If you send me another essage where you play games you will be blocked. 


ME- I aint playing games, i think its u thats playing games, remember I've approached u for a debate NOT the other way round,i've said that we'll debate is muhammad prophesised in the bible and is jesus god,and if u debate these two topics in a respectable manner i'll consider a debate of is muhammad a true prophet,now i think from the way your responding to my simple request of 2 debates(which r 2 subjects that u seem confident about in front of viewers on abn (when the so called "sheikhs" discuss it with u) so it should be easy for u to "obliterate" us,now are u feeling insecure or something? about these topics cos face it people aint exactly queing up to debate u (david wood must've had a million debates compared to u and he has only been on the scene lately) so i want a yes or no answer to my debate request of is muhammad prophesised in the bible and is jesus god,i'm not asking u this time i'm challenging u,just answer yes or no,and then block me if u wanna 

AND THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT THE MISSIONARY BLOCKED ME LOL (they all talk the talk on Christian t.v but he ran from sami and now he declined me)

Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Sam Shamoun's last message


They said

Well it is clear now that you're not serious and you don't want to debate. It is obvious that you're only interested in stalling and making barriers so you don't have to defend your false views. Thank you for wasting everyone's time with your cowardly behavior.

I SAID

Well Here we go
I gave you the option of taking it up - your 3rd title by dropping one of yours and still I'm the one stalling... you said I'm running away.. I'm giving you all the options and bending over backwards for you guys which you don't deserve and you calling me a coward?

Watch my video .... I'll spend my time and make it real good..
By the way   DID SAM WANT TO DEBATE THE STONE LICKING OR NOT .. AN ACTUAL DEBATE ?  DID I NOT QUOTE HIM ?  WHERE'S YOUR REBUTTAL TO THAT? OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.

WHOS' THE COWARD NOW MAN?  WHO'S THE COWARD?
YOU AND SAM ARE THE COWARDS AND EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.

THE DEBATE IS STILL OPEN, AND I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN ... COWARDS.. Step up when you have courage

Monday, September 19, 2011

Exchange with Wesley PHD Nation of Islam Scholar who claims Allah came in the person of F. Muhammad in Detroit

This is by no way anything unfamiliar for me as I have spend most of my life debating Christians who claim that God became man and walked on earth, went to bed, ate food, went to the washroom and relieved himself etc.  In the case of Christianity it's a WHITE God, a European God, sometimes even resembling a Californian Surfer dude who let his hair grow.  In the case of NOI a BLACK God, so they claim even though it is quite apparent from the pictures of F. Muhammad that he was no way near black.  A BLACK God they say who walked in Detroit, called for the resurrection (not physical as they don't believe in a physical resurrection) a mental resurrection.  Wesley is a PHD who spends his time writing books and lecturing about topics such as the skin color of prophets, using his academic research to win followers slowly to his theology.  What theology you say?  The dogmatic theology that says that God's sutra or his cover his body to contain his light his brightness is a black man.  In other simple words God is or was a black man depending how you look at it (something which we will discuss later).
I have a certain history with this person even though we never engaged in a formal discussion.  Recently he tagged me in two notes that dealt with topics concerning skin color of prophets, to which I replied trying to help the readers realize that such a thing is not a theological branch of Islam.  It can be called a historic truth, political correctness or what have you but not something that the Muslims should spend their lives around, indulge in and raise a nationalistic movement based on a theology of paganism and shirk.  Scholars unanimously agree that NOI are not Muslims and you will be able to see why as it does not take a Mufti to realize how far they have strayed from the Quran and the Sunnah.
Before I start I want to reproduce my initial comment that I believe is very important so that I avoid being labeled as a WHITE SUPREMACIST AS WESLLY TRIED TO DO.  HE CLAIMED THAT I LIKE OTHER WHITE CONVERTS TO ISLAM ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE DEEN AND WE ARE BEING RACIST AND HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROPHET MUHAMAMD PBUH BEING BLACK.

One of my initial posts was that prophet Muhammad was not BLACK, but was brown like most Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula were and still are today.  The Shamail of the prophet are recorded in many ahadith.  I am white and I love the prophet and never claimed that he was WHITE LIKE ME.  We will look at the narrations and the descriptions SOON INSH ALLAH, but LET ME SAY THIS.  EVEN IF HE WOULD BE BLACK OR CHINESE AS ONE OF THE READERS PUT IT, I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, but the issue comes in that it is not historically correct, and THAT WESLEY AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM out of reactionary racism have tried to gain converts using this point of skin color and tried to lure people into SHIRK.  THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM.

SO HERE I HAVE AND WILL REPRODUCE THE EXCHANGE BETWEEN WESLEY AND MYSLEF FOR ALL TO SEE.
Please visit this POST to see all the updated comments.


Saturday, September 17, 2011

How Cassie embraced Islam - amazing story


Peace be upon you all,

My name is Cassie, I am 23 years old. I graduated as a qualified nurse
this year and was given my first position as a home nurse.
My patient was an English gentleman in his early 80s who suffered from
Alzheimer's. In the first meeting the patient was given his record and
from it could see that he was a convert to the religion of Islam,
therefore he was a Muslim. I knew from this that I would need to take
into account some modes of treatment that my go against his faith, and
therefore try to adapt my care to meet his needs. I brought in some
‘halal’ meat to cook for him and ensured that there was no pork or
alcohol in the premises as I did some research which showed that these
were forbidden in Islam.

My patient was a very advanced stage of his condition so a lot of my
colleagues could not understand why I was going to so much effort for
him, but I understood that a person who commits to a faith deserves
that commitment to be respected, even if they are not in a position to
understand. Anyway after a few weeks with my patient I began to notice
some patterns of movement. At first I thought it was some copied
motioned he's seen someone due, but I saw him repeat the movement as
particular time; morning, afternoon, evening. The movements were to
raise his hands, bow and then put his head to the ground. I could not
understand it. He was also repeating sentences in another language, I
couldn’t figure out what language it was as his speech was slurred but
I know the same verses were repeated daily. Also there was something
strange, he didnt allow me to feed him with my left hand {I am
lefthanded}
Somehow I knew this linked to his religion but didn't know how.

One of my colleagues told me about paltalk as a place for debates and
discussions and as I did not know any Muslims except for my patient I
thought it would be good to speak to some live and ask questions. I
went on the Islam section and entered the room ‘True Message. Here I
asked questioned regarding the repeated movements and was told that
these were the actions of prayer, I did not really believe it until
someone posted a link of the Islamic prayer on youtube.

I was shocked. A man who has lost all memory of his children, of his
occupation, and could barely eat and drink was able to remember not
only actions of prayer but verses that were in another language.
This was nothing short of incredible and I knew that this man was
devout in his faith, which made me want to learn more in order to care
for him the best I could. I came into the paltalk room as often as I
could and was given a link to read the translation of the Quran and
listen to it. The chapter of the ‘Bee’ gave me chills and I repeated
it several times a day. I saved a recording of the Quran on my iPod
and gave it to my patient to listen to, he was smiling and crying, and
in reading the translation I could see why.

I applied what I gained from paltalk to my care for my patient but
gradually found myself coming to the room to find answers for myself.
I never really took the time to look at my life; I never knew my
father, my mother died when I was 3, me and my brother were raised by
our grandparents who died 4 years ago, so now it's just the two of us.

But despite all this loss, I always thought I was happy, content. I
was only after spending time with my patient that felt like I was
missing something. I was missing that sense of peace and tranquility
my patient, even through suffering felt. I wanted that sense of
belonging and a part of something that he felt, even with no one
around him. I was given a list of mosques in my area by a lady on
paltalk and went down to visit one. I watched the prayer and could not
hold back my tears. I felt drawn to the mosque every day and the imam
and his wife would give me books and tapes and welcome any questions I
had. Every question I asked at the mosque and on paltalk was answered
with such clarity and depth that could do nothing but accept them.

I have never practiced a faith but Always believed that there was a
God; I just did not know how to worship Him. One evening I came on
paltalk and one of the speakers on the mic addressed me. He asked me
if I have any questions, I said no. He asked if I was happy with the
answers I was given, I said yes. He asked then what was stopping me
accepting Islam, I could not answer. I went to the mosque to watch the
dawn prayer the imam asked me the same question, I could not answer. I
then went to tend to my patient, I was feeding him and as I looked in
his eyes I just realized, he was brought to me for a reason and the
only thing stopping me from accepting was fear.... not fear in the
sense of something bad, but fear of accepting something good, and
thinking that I was not worthy like this man.

That afternoon I went to the mosque and asked the imam if I could say
my declaration of faith, the Shahadah. He helped me through it was I
was shown how to walk and guided through would I would need to do
next.
I cannot explain the feeling I felt when I said it. It was like
someone woke me up from sleep and sees everything more clearly. The
feeling was overwhelming joy, clarity and most of all.... peace. The
first person I told was not my brother but my patient. I went to him,
and before I even opened my mouth he cried and smiled at me. I broke
down in front of him, I owed him so much. I came home logged on to
paltalk and repeated the shahadah for the room.
They all helped me so much and even though I had never seen a single
one of them, they felt closer to me then my own brother. I did
eventually call my brother to tell him and although he was wasn’t
happy, he supported me and said he would be there, I couldn't ask for
any more.

After my first week as a Muslim my patient passed away in his sleep
while I was caring for him. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raj3oon He
died a peaceful death and I was the only person with him. He was like
the father I never had and he was my doorway to Islam. From the day of
my Shahadah to this very day and for every day for as long as I live,
I will pray that Allah shows mercy on him and grant him every good
deed I perform in the tenfold.
I loved him for the sake of Allah and I pray each night to become an
atoms weight of the Muslim he was. Islam is a religion with an open
door; it is there for those who want to enter it.... Verily Allah is
the Most Merciful, Most Kind.

* note *
Our sister Cassie passed away October 2010 Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi
raj3oon, after she gave dawa3 to her brother, who had accepted Islam
Elhamdulileh.
May Allah swt grant sister Cassie Paradise Ameen Yarrab.

Friday, September 16, 2011

Examining Ibn Masud’s reaction to Qur’an preservation efforts


Posted: 14 Sep 2011 09:58 AM PDT
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمد لله وحده و الصلاة و السلام على من لا نبي بعده و على آله و أصحابه أجمعين
Ibn Mas’ud’s reaction to efforts regarding Qur’an preservation during Uthman’s time has been a subject of interest to orientalists and missionaries. In this article we shall put the lies on the issue in coffin.
Firstly, you need to study description of efforts during Uthman’s effort regarding Qur’an preservation. You find thatHERE.
Ibn Masud’s reaction:
Let’s first study the narration that shows Ibn Mas’ud’s reaction to establish what his grievances were.
In Jami’ Tirmidhi, ‘Ubaydullah bin ‘Abdullah is recorded to have said:
“Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslim people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man'--meaning Zaid bin Thabit--and it was regarding this that Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement. So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" (Jami’ Tirmidhi, hadith 3104)
Note: Above translation is taken from Acts-17 Ministry’s blog. Its significance will be discussed in while. Hold your breath!
What were Ibn Mas’ud’s grievances?
1- Seemingly Ibn Mas’ud’ first grievance was on him being left out of the noble task and Zaid bin Thabit, who was definitely much younger to him, being made the head of the committee assigned with the task.
2- The fact that he was being asked to give up his Mushaf and adopt one prepared by the committee headed by Zaid bin Thabit.
In Mustadrak al-Hakim we read that when Abu Musa al-Ash’ari and Huzayfa bin Yaman tried to persuade him to give up his personal manuscript, he said:
“By Allah I will not hand this manuscript over to them. Allah’s Messenger –may Allah bless him- personally taught me more than seventy surahs and now I should hand this (manuscript) over to them? By Allah, I will not give it to them!” (Mustadrak al-Hakim, Hadith 2896. Classified as Sahih by al-Hakim and al-Dhahbi)
In essence the grievance was simply about being asked to hand over his personal manuscript and this aggravated further when he found he was to do it in favor of the Mushaf prepared by someone much younger to him. Reading this, one must consider Ibn Mas’ud’s own grand stature.
Simply Zaid’s being in charge of the endeavor could have not sparked such a strong reaction as we know Ibn Mas’ud did not show any anger when Zaid was made the in charge of a similar task during Abu Bakr’s time. The demand of giving up his personal manuscript was the real issue.
There was no difference in the text:
There was no difference on the actual text between Ibn Mas’ud’s manuscript and the official one. This is known because.
1- Zaid bin Thabit undertook a similar task during Abu Bakr’s time and Ibn Mas’ud never raised his eye-brows then.
2- After Zaid had completed the work during Uthman’s time, he compared the mushaf prepared then with the suhuf prepared during Abu Bakr’s time. And he testified;
“I compared the Mushaf with those manuscripts; they did not differ in anything.” (Mushkil al-Athar, Hadith 2645)
This leads us to logical conclusion that Ibn Mas’ud mushaf had no fundamental textual difference with the official mushaf.
The actual reason of grievance has just been described above.
Why was Ibn Mas’ud asked to give up his Mushaf?
This brings us to the question, as to why was Ibn Mas’ud asked to give up his Mushaf? Answer to this question is already given in my paper on Uthman’s efforts regarding Qur’an preservation i.e. personal masahif (manuscripts) did not take into account all the sanctioned readings at certain instances in the Qur’an. Personal Masahif prepared by great scholars like Ibn Masud and that too directly learnt from the Prophet –may Allah bless him- were never wrong and could never be disputed with, but there is no denying that they could not encompass all the sanctioned variants. And Uthman wanted them to be destroyed only to avoid potential trouble as all sanctioned readings were already preserved in the officially prepared Masahif.
As this idea rests on the Seven Ahruf thing, Christian missionaries have tried to counter this by alluding to large scale differences of interpretations about Seven Ahruf and that Ibn Masud’s mushaf did not allegedly have three surahs (i.e. no. 1, 113 & 114).
As to Seven Ahruf, in-sha’Allah a paper with extensive discussion on the subject is in the pipeline that will kill the misconceptions about it. And the no. of surahs in Ibn Masud’s manuscript will be discussed in full in another forthcoming article dedicated to the subject.
Due to the complexity of the issues and the fact that things are interrelated I have but no option except to refer the readers back to earlier articles or ask to them to wait for forthcoming work.
Did Ibn Masud accuse Companions of deceit in reading Qur’an?
Lately we have seen Christian missionaries using a certain report from Ibn Sa’d’s Tabaqat al-Kubra, sometimes referred to as Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir.
They present the narration like this;
-- Ibn Masud does not think highly of today's Quran, the one collected by Zaid. In comparing himself to Zaid, he says:
The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur'an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth.” (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p.444) –
This is wrong translation. Translation should actually be;
So conceal the manuscripts! I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth.”
Allah knows what has lead to the addition of the words “in the reading of Qur’an” in the translation given by missionaries. See the actual Arabic text below and decide for yourself;
فَغَلَّوُا الْمَصَاحِفَ. فَلأَنْ أَقْرَأَ عَلَى قِرَاءَةِ مَنْ أُحِبُّ أَحَبَّ إِلَيَّ مِنْ أَنْ أَقْرَأَ عَلَى قِرَاءَةِ زَيْدِ بْنِ ثابت. فو الذي لا إِلَهَ غَيْرُهُ لَقَدْ أَخَذْتُ مِنْ فِيِّ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - بِضْعًا وَسَبْعِينَ سُورَةً. وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ غُلامٌ لَهُ ذُؤَابَتَانِ يَلْعَبُ مَعَ الْغِلْمَانِ
So the translation given by missionaries makes “ghalla” to mean “deceit” while the basic meaning of the word and the one intended here is “to hide/conceal.” Following are my evidences for this.
1- In the similar report in Jami’ Tirmidhi wording is;
قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ: " يَا أَهْلَ العِرَاقِ اكْتُمُوا المَصَاحِفَ الَّتِي عِنْدَكُمْ وَغُلُّوهَا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ: {وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ القِيَامَةِ} فَالقُوا اللَّهَ بِالمَصَاحِفِ
Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement. So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" (Jami’ Tirmidhi, Hadith 3104)
Mark this, this is the translation they themselves gave and here “ghalla” and all its forms have been translated as “conceal”.
Also note at the end the narration says, “Meet Allah with the masahif” now if “ghalla” is translated as “deceit” then what would the whole thing mean?
2- In Kitab al-Masahif of Ibn Abi Dawud Khumayr bin Malik says:
سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ مَسْعُودٍ يَقُولُ: " إِنِّي غَالٌّ مُصْحَفِي، فَمَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ أَنْ يَغُلَّ مُصْحَفًا فَلْيَغْلُلْ، فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ: {وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ}
“I heard Ibn Masud saying: I have concealed my Mushaf. Whoever can conceal his mushaf he should conceal it. For Allah says, “And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement.”” (Kitab al-Masahif, Narration 52)
Now if “ghalla” is to be translated “to deceive” then narration above would make Ibn Masud says, “I have deceived my mushaf.” Why do these missionaries divorce with reason? Reason is not that bad!
There are other forms of the same narration that show “ghalla” can never mean “to deceive” here.
* In all the above discussed narrations Ibn Masud asked people to conceal their manuscripts because they were based on his own personal manuscript, and for his above mentioned grievance he initially reacted this way.
James White at his best- lying!
This is perhaps nothing when we even concoct stories on this issue. James White in one his debates with Muslim scholar, Shabir Ally alleged that Ibn Masud was beaten for not giving up his manuscript and he ended up dying for this reason. See the proof in this video. He lied and said he was quoting from Abu Ammar Yasir Qadhi’s book, “An Introduction to the Sciences of the Quran” whereas it is nowhere to be found in the book. That’s the best they can do!
Did Ibn Masud later agree with Uthman?
We know initially Ibn Masud reacted furiously, but did he later agree with Uthman and rest of the companions? Yes, he did. He might not have given up his personal manuscript but he did agree with the idea behind the scheme of Uthman, made into a reality by the team headed by Zaid bin Thabit.
Ibn Kathir tells us;
“Uthman –may Allah be pleased with him- wrote to him (Ibn Masud) bidding him to follow the Companions in what they had agreed upon due to its benefits, (and because it lead to) unity of opinions and the end of differences. So, he inclined to it and agreed to follow and to give up the opposition –may Allah be pleased with them all.” (al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya 7/217)
Ibn Kathir even goes on to reason that it was only natural for Ibn Masud to agree on such a fundamental issue. He first quotes the following report;
Abdul Rahman bin Yazid said: Abdullah bin Mas’ud entered the mosque in Mina. He asked how many rak’ahs have the Commander of the Faithful (i.e. Uthman) offered in Zuhr salah? People said, “(He offered) four.” Ibn Masud offered four rak’ahs. People asked, “Have you not told us that the Messenger of Allah –may Allah bless him- and Abu Bakr and ‘Umar offered two (in Zuhr prayers at Mina)?” He said, “Indeed and I narrate to you the same now even but I do not like to differ.”
On this Ibn Kathir comments;
“So if Ibn Masud followed Uthman this way even in secondary issues, how much (more willing) he would have been in following him regarding Qur’an and in sticking to the recitation to which he had bound the people.” (al-Bidaya wal-Nihaya 7/217)
Conclusion:
There was some initial misunderstanding between the Companions but evidences show it was never about the basic text of the Holy Qur’an, and even that misunderstanding between Ibn Masud and Uthman etc. was later removed –may Allah be pleased with them all! Excitement of missionary haters of Islam is rather pointless.
Indeed Allah knows the best!

Latest Exchange with Shamoun

Check these guys out ... I mean what more do people want as proofs that these guys are not just a bunch of kids but a bunch of cowards.

THEY SAID

Hello? I am waiting for your reply. Do you accept 'Does the Bible (OT & NT) teach the Trinity?' yes or no Jibreelk. If yes say so and then a time can be arranged. If no then you prove our suspicions true that you are not able to defend your initial claims (that the Bible doesn't teach the Trinity). We are waiting.


I SAID


double hello? don't you understand English?  You don't tell me what the topic should be no matter what.. you have chosen 2 and I have chosen 2.
I'm tired of you... I'll be launching the video in the next week.
You should accept my generous offer of you picking 2.5 debate titles, and giving you DEOS BIBLE TEACH TRINITY IN OT.
Stop running around you cowards and face me, or you can't do that..
You should fear God, and the falsehood you are preaching.  Don't you fear God, don't you fear hellfire, don't you fear the consequences of your lies and distortions which you can't even defend.  YOU NEED TO COME TO ME WITH CHEAP SHOTS AND TELLING ME WHAT TITLES TO PICK.  DICTATING LEFT AND RIGHT BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T DEFEND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO.

Liste here - you don't seem to have a good understanding of language so I will try to spell it out in simple words.

JUST BECAUSE I SAID IN ONE OF MY VIDEOS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE TRINITY IN THE BIBLE LATER - AS YOU WERE TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM THE MAIN POINT OF OUR VIDEOS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN DICTATE TO ME WHAT TOPIC TO CHOOSE AFTER YOU HAVE CHOSEN YOUR 2 TOPICS....

IT IS NOT BINDING ON ME A STATEMENT THAT I HAVE MADE - WHICH DID NOT FALL WITHIN THE AGREEMENT OF OUR DEBATE.  THAT'S LIKE ME TRYING TO TELL YOU NOW ... OK WE CAN DEBATE THE Muhamamd is a true prophet title, but I WILL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE SAM FIRST CHALLENGED ME ON THE BLACK STONE.. YOU HAVE TO PICK THE BLACK STONE...

IF MEMORY SERVES WELL (AND IF NOT WE HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE BLOG)... YOUR SAM TEACHER IS THE ONE WHO DODGED THE TOPIC HE PICKED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AGAIN SIMPEL WORDS.. DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO PICK .. I PICKED MY TOPICS AND SO DID YOU.. DO YOU ACCEPT YOU COWARDS..WEHTER YOU ACCEPT OR NOT THE VIDEO IS COMING OUT ANYWAY.

COMPRENDE ?

Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Sam Shamoun gets sacked again - BUT HE WON'T STOP....DO PEOPLE LIKE HIM REALIZE WHEN THEY ARE DEFEATED?


Posted: 12 Sep 2011 12:49 PM PDT
Sam Shamoun the greatest liar of 21century is accusing Quran to describe the miraculous conception of Jesus in a very graphic way. His accusation can be divide into following categories.
1- Quran uses the term ‘farj’ which is a person’s private [here Mary’s vagina] part in the context of conception of Jesus.
2- The conception of Jesus (peace be upon him) in the Quran, as described by the Tafasir is gross and abusive.
3- To whom the Quran refer in 66:12 as ‘he’.
Before I start, I want to inform the readers that when I am going to use the word ‘God’ to refer to ‘Allah’ and ‘Yaweh’ for the God of the Bible.
Refutation of Allegation #1:
Sam Shaoun claims that Quran uses the word ‘farj’ to mean Mary’s vagina and he furthur twisted the translations alleges that Allah breathed into Mary’s vagina through angel Gabriel. He quoted the verses of the Quran which talks about how Maryam (A.S) got pregnant. He quoted Surah 21:90-91,66:12 regarding the verses of Maryam’s conception of Jesus (A.S). To further cement his claim he also quoted 24:30-31 and 23:125 to mean ‘farj’ as private parts. For the sake of brevity, I would quote only 21:90-91 which talks about the conception of Jesus. The verse says:
وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ
And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
Farj – used as an honour:
None of the translators uses the word vagina while translating the word farj which is confirmed here . About the other verses, they are also translated as chastity not private parts , proof here . The angel breathed into the garment of Maryam (A.S) not in her vagina. So doesn’t farj means a person’s private area? Yes it does! But only when it is referring to private parts like in one of the Hadith (Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2126). Arabs sometimes refer to farj in the context of chastity or honor. A narration below is one of the few examples.
A Shiite Muslim, Al-Kulayni (d. 329 A.H.) records;
عن أبي عبدالله (ع) في تزويج أم كلثوم فقال: إن ذلك فرج غصبناه
It is narrated from Abu Abdullah –on his be peace- he said about the marriage of Umm Kulthum. So he said: “That this was the honor (farj) that was coerced from us” (al-Kafi 5/494 Narration no. 9536. Al-Majlisi has accepted it as authentic)
Now here Abu Abdullah (i.e. Hassain bin Ali) is talking about his sister Umm Kulthum and it needs no elaboration that a brother –who is a learned imam- would refer to his sister as ‘honor’ and will never refer to her privacy even in his imagination, let alone mention it to others.
Farj- used as an opening [here of the garment]:
Commentators use the word farj here as a narrow opening of Maryam’s garment [not vagina since every garment has opening and it makes more sense] not vagina because the word for vagina is ‘mahbil’, if angel blew into the Maryam’s vagina the word ‘mahbil’ would have been used but that’s not the case, use of the word farj has opened the gates of two meanings. According To Lane’s lexicon ‘farj’ also means an opening.
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It is unanimously agreed by commentators that the term ‘farj’ here means ‘the narrow opening of Maryam’s garment’. Some of the examples include:
1. Al-Tabari (d. 310 A.H.) states, “It is the opening of her garment.” (Tafsir al-Tabari, 23/500).
2. Al-Qurtubi (d. 671 A.H.) says it refers her garment and not her private part. (Tafsir Al-Jami’ al-Ahkam al-Qur’an, 18/203)
3. Al-Zamakhshari (d. 538 A.H.) states it’s about her garment. (Tafsir al-Kashshaf 4/573)
4- Al-Suyuti (d. 911 A.H.) says the very same. (Tafsir Jalalayn 1/754)
Refutation of allegation #2:
Let us jump to Surah 19:22-23, where a similar verse describes the conception of Isa (peace be upon him) and let us see the relevant commentary of Tafsir Ibn Kathir in this regard. Note the word farj isn’t used in this verse; Surah 19:22-23 says,
“And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "Oh, I wish I had died before this and was in oblivion, forgotten."
Ibn Kathir’s commentary:
Ibn Kathir remarks on these verses: “Allah, the Exalted, informs about Maryam that when Jibril had spoken to her about what Allah said, she accepted the decree of Allah. Many scholars of the predecessors (Salaf) have mentioned that at this point the angel (who was Jibril) blew into the opening of the garment [farj which also means an opening] that she was wearing. Then the breath descended until it entered into her vagina and she conceived the child by the leave of Allah.” (Online Source)
First we should dig in the term ‘spirit’. Tafsir Al-Jalalayn while commenting on S 38:72 defines it as something that gives life, from a hadith (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #549) that says that an angel come to write about a person’s lifetime and then blow his spirit to give life to fetus which is in the womb, similarly God of the bible also blew into Adam’s nostrils [Genesis 2:7]. It would be foolish to say that God love to breath in someone’s nostrils, Adam was there with God but Eisa (peace be upon him) was to nourish in the womb of Maryam (A.S). The breath itself reaches the uterus through vagina [as in case of Adam it was his nose, so it’s just an opening into the body] as this is only opening into the uterus! Now it’s not mentioned anywhere that embryo Eisa was there in the womb when it happened. If you read furthermore, the Tafsir ibn Kathir says.
“After this, her menstrual bleeding ceased and she experienced what the pregnant woman experiences of sickness, hunger, change of color and there was even a change in the manner of her speech.”
It means Eisa (peace be upon him) wasn’t there in the womb of Virgin. Maryam(A.S) thus conceived her son through this breath which travelled through her vagina and into the uterus (womb), where Esa (peace be upon him) was nourished like every human born of a woman, Adam didn’t nourish in the womb of a female that’s why his spirit took the route of nostrils as the Bible says.
Refutation of allegation #3:
Sam Shoun in his gown of crusades alleged that to whom Quran refer to in 66:12, he remarked :
“The second problem is caused by the Arabic language. In Arabic, Allah does not say: ‘so we breathed into her of our spirit’, but ‘into him’. Who is it, into whom the spirit was breathed? The embryo 'Isa? That is difficult to accept, for then 'Isa would have existed in Mary's womb already before the spirit was breathed into her. That would mean that Allah created 'Isa beforehand or that he existed before he was conceived. Both options are out of the question for Islamic scholars.
Who is it then, into whom the Spirit from Allah was breathed? IT IS ALMOST UNSPEAKABLE, but the last expression in the previous sentence, which is masculine in Arabic, IS THE EXPRESSION FOR MARY'S GENITALS. The literal meaning of Allah's statement in Arabic is then, ‘so we breathed into her vagina [farj] of our spirit.’ This turns the stomachs of some of our readers.”
Surah 66:12 of the Quran reads:
وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَتَ عِمْرَانَ الَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَاتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ الْقَانِتِينَ
Dr.Ghali: “And Maryam (Mary) daughter of Imran, who kept safe her private parts, (i.e., safeguarded) so We breathed in it of Our Spirit, and she sincerely (believed) in the Words of her Lord, and His Books; and she was one of the devout.”
Actually none of the translators translated as ‘unto him’ but as ‘there in(Pickthall) , in it (Dr.Ghali), into her (Yusuf Ali, Shakir)’. Again the Sam Shoun is playing his dirty tricks to confuse the readers and exposes his bigot nature; the word فِيهِ (fihi) is used in this verse as a masculine singular object pronoun and means the farj[opening] of Maryam (A.S)’s sleeves or garments as garments are treated as masculine in Arabic. We have earlier proved that Isa (peace be upon him) wasn’t there in the womb of Maryam (A.S) and she conceived him after she received the breadth from Gabriel which blew into her garment not her vagina.
LET ME TURN THE TABLES!
Before I come to the bone of contention i.e. Luke 1:35, let me reply to Sam Shamoun’s argument on this verse.
Argument 1: The word come upon is used in Luke 2:25 and Luke 3:22, about Simon’s righteousness and Jesus’ baptism.
My Response: The Greek word used in Luke 1:35 is ἐπέρχομαι (Strong’s G1904-eperchomai), and in context of spirit coming upon someone is used only in Luke 1:35 and Acts 1:8, but the spirit when came upon the disciples in acts, one of the disciples of Jesus Mary Magdalene didn’t conceive any baby so it must have come upon them in a different way. The Luke 1:35 uses this word for explaining the impregnation of Mary, as something is coming upon her as a husband come upon his wife.
Argument 2Jesus was transfigured by clouds in Luke 9:34.
My ResponseThe term overshadow doesn’t always mean that a person is shadowed by some cloud, we should have to see the context also as to where and why the word is used and what possible meanings it may have, which I have discussed below.
Catholic assumption about Luke1:35 : The Catholic view about the birth of Jesus can be put in a nutshell by this simple picture.
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Holy Ghost hovered over Mary exhorted creative energy on her womb while Yahweh was overshadowing her with clouds and boom! Jesus was conceived. Infact, early church fathers gave many theories which we will view in the later text and this isn’t the first place where God of the bible sounds pornographic, the intention of God to have martial relationship with his people is also reflected in.
In Ezekiel, God compares Bride Israel to a young woman, using some striking imagery to describe his love for her:
Then you grew up, became tall, and reached the age for fine ornaments; your breasts were formed and your hair had grown.Yet you were naked and bare.Then I passed by you and saw that you were ready for love; so I SPREAD MY CLOAK OVER YOU and covered your nakedness. I swore to you and entered into a covenant with you so that you became mine, declares the Lord God. - Ezekiel 16:7-8
The phrase "spread my cloak over you" was a Hebrew euphemism for conjugal relations (see Ruth 3:9). This passage should give us an idea of the basic goodness of the marital act as God designed and intended it.
Ruth 3:9 : And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: SPREAD THEREFORE THY SKIRT OVER THINE handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.
Barnes' Notes on the BibleSpread thy skirt ... - The phrase indicates receiving and acknowledging her as a wife.
Due to the nebulous and somewhat graphical language of Luke 1:35 several theories are proposed depending which sect of Christianity you are talking about, since Catholics aren’t the only Christians in the scene.
Intimacy with Yahweh:
The language of Luke 1:35 made some Christians (Mormons) to believe that Yahweh was sexually involved with Mary. Luke 1:35 states, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you and the power of the most high (Yahweh) will overshadow you. This makes some Christian to come to conclusion when Holy ghost came upon Mary she became unconscious and Jehovah had an intercourse with her.
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To further explain as to why he reach this conclusion on Luke 1:35, he said,
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Intimacy with Holy Ghost:
Luke 1:35 says that holy ghost will come upon Mary and the power of the most high will overshadowed her. A Christiansource remarked, 'overshadowed' is just another delicate discreet way of saying a man got on top of a woman, casting his shadow over her, and entered her with his penis and 'made love' to her. This is just the good old-fashioned missionary way of producing babies. The woman gets 'overshadowed'...or as King Solomon via the Holy Spirit said...His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me. (Song of Solomon 2: 6) Because her lover is over top of her.... and he is overshadowing her .....'and his banner over me was love' (2: 4).
Do clouds penetrate into the womb ?.... Does gas produce babies ? The answer obviously NO. The Lord created sperm to break thru the egg of a woman to combine with the cell of a woman to reproduce into a new body for a new soul. That's the Lord's biology, that's His embryology. That's the Lord's sexuality.

  Mathew 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is CONCEIVED IN her is of the Holy Ghost.
And the conception happened INSIDE Mary's womb.
Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB.
Some Christians are of the view that Holy Ghost was the spouse of Mary. Can a spirit have sex with humans? According to a Christian source, there is a possibility, according to Zohar [a book on Jewish kaablah] and the Alphabet of Ben Sira[wrote by Jesus bin Sirach], Lilith was Adam's first wife who later became a succubus[female demon]. She left Adam and refused to return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael (who was an angel) and according to another source, even Pope Sylvester also had a sexual relationship with a succubus. However, Catholics kept this relationship in just spiritual realmSaint Maximillian Kolbe say that the relationship between the Spirit of God and the Theotokos is redolent of a marriage in the following ways: As a husband and wife become "one flesh" in marriage (Genesis 2:24) yet remain distinct persons, so Mary and the Spirit are two distinct persons who share a deep spiritual union. As human spouses cooperate in giving life to their children, so, analogously, the Spirit and Mary "cooperate" in communicating spiritual life to us. (H.M. Manteau-Bonamy, The Immaculate Conception and the Holy Spirit: The Marian Teachings of Saint Maximillian Kolbe (Libertyville, IL: Franciscan Marytown Pr, 1977 ) , So how does husband and wife become one? Of course after sexual intercourse .Levi Jones, associate pastor of theology in U.S.A see the impregnation of Mary analogous to Zeus’s relationship with Leda.
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As said earlier it is possible that a spirit can have sexual relationship with a human. However, Jesus is refereed to son as the son of Yahweh i.e. born of Yahweh’s sperm or semen and the spirit act as a vector in transferring the sperms of Yahweh into Mary’s womb probably in an old fashioned way. We see that Holy Spirit can take physical forms such as dove, thus it possible that it came upon her and overshadowed her. According to a source, Holy Spirit is also designated as the most high and he was the one overshadowing her and ejaculating the seed of Yahweh into her. Some Christian may say if this copulation then Mary is no longer a virgin which goes against Isaiah 7:14, Oh really? The word used for defining the virginity of Mary in the New Testament is παρθένος (strong’s G3933-parthenos), however! It also mean a marriageable maiden; Infact in Septuagint, this term is also applied for woman who are already deflowered women and harlots.
As for Isaiah 7:14, the R.S.V. 1952 Bible which was produced by Thirty-two scholars of highest eminence, and reviewed by fifty representatives of cooperating denominations, gives its translation as;
“Behold a young woman shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Imman’u-el.”
And in the footnote to this verse it says;
“Young woman, Hebrew ‘almah, feminine of ‘elem, young man (1 Sam.17.56, 20.22); the word appears in Gen.24.43; Ex.2.8; Ps.68.25, and elsewhere where it is translated “young woman,” “girl,” “maiden.”
(The Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version 1952, Edited by Herbert G. May and Bruce M. Metzger, Oxford University Press, New York 1962)

Intimacy with Gabriel and Jospeh:
In a book Unveiling God's Presence in the Bible By Tommy C. SEAY, he claims that it was the angle Gabriel sexually involved with Mary and this claim is inspired by his holy ghost (pg297-301). Bible Review Magazine 1902-1903 By Harry et al Wright, he claims that when ghost came upon both both Mary and Joseph when they were in bed and clouds overshadowed them, they committed sex unconsciously and this how Jesus was born (pg.113-114). All these books can be read on Google books.
Strange Arts:
Early Church fathers unable to understand how Mary became impregnated with Jesus, posed different drawings. One of them was that a Yahweh is oozing semen from his mouth through a tube which is going beneath Mary’s skirt.
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Summary & Conclusion: Even the spirit brought the breath of God, there was no sex at all, the conception was totally spiritual etc etc. The point is that Luke 1:35 is at the time so graphic and nebulous that it made Christians to came up with some nasty and promiscuous thoughts about the conception. On the other hand, Quran is very clear and free of such imagery. Christians should check their own sources before criticizing ours. Infact, both Mathew and Paul never made any claim about the virgin birth, why? I leave this answer to the Christians.
Qur’an refers to Mary, the most chaste woman ever in the most excellent manner and in the language befitting the Divine Majesty. This is why Muslims never have had any graphical or immodest description of her conception, whereas the Biblical description speaks of a human mind behind the narrative which brings in a mental picture which has lead to all the non-sense shown above. And perhaps all this was a reflection of Greek mythology cf. Zeus’ relation with Leda.
Disclaimer! Whatever is given in the “turn the tables” section is just a showing of the mirror to Sam the Liar and other missionary haters of Islam otherwise neither the author of this post and nor any Muslim can ever think of anything remotely akin to it. No Muslim is a Muslim if he has any such imagination about the purest and greatest woman of all times.
Indeed Allah knows the best!
… by Azhan Ahmad

Saturday, September 10, 2011

Updates on e mail exchange with Shamoun

As I wanted to keep you all updated with what's going on I started another post with the latest e mail exchange.  If you want to read all the exchanges up to today please go to
http://www.islamdunktv.com/2011/08/my-e-mail-exchange-with-shamoun-as-we.html?showComment=1315620064559#c157184701378117521

After demanding fairness in this debate and finally saying I'm done and I will expose them for their cowardice, Sam and Keith have succumbed and agreed to 4 topics, two of theirs and two of mine (one and one title, followed by the next two).

So we are almost there, almost to debate but again these people are trying to dictate and push my limits.  I have chosen 2 titles, and they have chosen 2, but it seems that is not enough for them.  They want to dictate 3 titles and I only 1.  Is that fair?  And of course they are using their coward techniques of saying that I am running away from the debate.  I think it's quite obvious who is trying to run and who is trying to escape a fair debate.  It's only them.
I was even willing to give them 2 and a half debates (meaning a title that they have mentioned earlier even though they have already picked 2 titles), but NO THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM?  I wonder why?  I think they are trying to run away and push me to my limit so I will not accept their debate and then they can say YOU SEE HE IS A COWARD.
That's like saying - COME DEBATE, PAY FOR OUR LUNCH OUR HOTEL STAY, DO EVERYTHING FOR THE DEBATE ALL THE FORMALITIES AND IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE A COWARD AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DEBATE US.


Friday, September 9, 2011

John Shelby Spong on The Apostle Paul's Repressed Homosexuality

Minute 7 is golden... I DON'T BELIEVE THE BIBLE TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.... lol neither do we John, neither do we...

Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Debate with Sam Shamoun to be scheduled?

Well after months of drama, after fiery exchanges and insults, we might have finally come to an agreement, a fair agreement, and go ahead with the debate.

Shamoun tried to dictate 3 titles as well as demanding to have his titles first and mine after, of course giving him the opportunity to escape after he was done, but I would not have it.  So at the threat of exposing their coward attempts (as I have recorded all the conversations on my blog and had a video in the making exposing Sam), they have finally agreed on a fair format.

I'm just waiting for the approval of my second topic as they have dictated 3 of their titles which is not fair again, and then we should be on our way.

Insh Allah this will be a great debate and the truth will stand out from falsehood.  I am very confident in Allah's decree and his will and darkness will never prevail over light.

“[Then] when you have decided on a course of action, put your trust in Allah: Allah loves those who put their trust in Him. If Allah helps you [believers], no one can overcome you. if He forsakes you, who else can help you? Believers should put their trust in Allah. [The Qu'ran 3: 159-160]”

May ALlah guide us to the straight path.  

Saturday, September 3, 2011

Sam Shamoun aka Keith Truth runs away from debating with lame childish excuses... check out or mail exchange

I need everyone to share this on their face book on their e mails on youtube, make a video let everyone know what type of people these two missionaries are.... one says one thing the other does something else and in their mess and misunderstanding they want me to fix it and just accept all their unfair terms.. Who do they think they are?

Please check out and read carefully each exchange of e mails that we had over this past month.  Honestly I have seen Sam doing this to many people before,,, as they were scheduling a debate it would not go further than him insulting them and demanding terms that are unfair and ridiculous so that the debate does not go down as HE IS A COWARD.

Share this link with everyone... show the world who they are....

http://www.islamdunktv.com/2011/08/my-e-mail-exchange-with-shamoun-as-we.html?showComment=1315104238342#c3554899145009056260

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