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Shamoun's Lowly Character

Sam thinks he can beat everyone in a debate and that he has already done so. Things have not even happened yet he can predict with certainty outcomes. He thinks no one can answer him. Check out a list of answers right here.

Saturday, September 10, 2011

Updates on e mail exchange with Shamoun

As I wanted to keep you all updated with what's going on I started another post with the latest e mail exchange.  If you want to read all the exchanges up to today please go to
http://www.islamdunktv.com/2011/08/my-e-mail-exchange-with-shamoun-as-we.html?showComment=1315620064559#c157184701378117521

After demanding fairness in this debate and finally saying I'm done and I will expose them for their cowardice, Sam and Keith have succumbed and agreed to 4 topics, two of theirs and two of mine (one and one title, followed by the next two).

So we are almost there, almost to debate but again these people are trying to dictate and push my limits.  I have chosen 2 titles, and they have chosen 2, but it seems that is not enough for them.  They want to dictate 3 titles and I only 1.  Is that fair?  And of course they are using their coward techniques of saying that I am running away from the debate.  I think it's quite obvious who is trying to run and who is trying to escape a fair debate.  It's only them.
I was even willing to give them 2 and a half debates (meaning a title that they have mentioned earlier even though they have already picked 2 titles), but NO THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THEM?  I wonder why?  I think they are trying to run away and push me to my limit so I will not accept their debate and then they can say YOU SEE HE IS A COWARD.
That's like saying - COME DEBATE, PAY FOR OUR LUNCH OUR HOTEL STAY, DO EVERYTHING FOR THE DEBATE ALL THE FORMALITIES AND IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE A COWARD AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DEBATE US.


8 comments:

Jibreelk said...

here is what they have said

Is the Trinity Biblical? means Does the Bible (OT & NT) teach the Trinity? If you accept that will be the last stage and everything can progress.

I said

well NT might teach as it evolved it was a reflection of the innovation and misguidance that was developing with regards to God, so what you are trying to get me to do is like saying
LET'S DEBATE WEHTER CHRISTIANITY TEACHES THE TRINITY... It doesn't work as I might agree with you that the NT has some teachings that try to explain and hint the trinity.. not at all in the OT.. So if I were to accept your title I would accept something that I might agree with, which does not make it a debate. A debate has to have a title that the two parties do not agree on.

so if you are ready and not cowards as you seem to be trying to pin me to give you 3 debates of your own, and I get only one title, than come forth and accept so we can do this..

I have bent myself all over and have even given you IS THE TRINITY IN THE OT, even that is not what I asked for in the first place .. what more do you want?

Let's do this and stop using these childish and selfish excuses and trying to spin it on me... I have all the e mail discussions everyone is reading them, and i am updating as we are going...
The video exposing was almost ready and I stopped as you have contacted me last time and i though we are good to go. So please don't pull back now and do this... LET'S DEBATE ALREAD. ONE AND ONE DEBATE FOLLOWED BY ONE AND ONE.. YOU START. YOU CHOSE 2 AND A HALF TITLES I CHOSE 1 AND A HALF. LOL

omneya148 said...

may allah guide u & reward u brother jibreel

Jibreelk said...

they responded

If you think you can show that all of the NT texts which affirm Trinitarianism are innovations and not in the earliest manuscripts or were definitely added later then you can argue that case against Sam in the debate. But you will sadly be totally refuted since no scholar or textual critic would say such a thing, not even Bart Ehrman. And that can be proven wrong by looking at the manuscript tradition.The debate is 'Does the Bible (OT and NT) teach the Trinity?' You already agreed to that in our discussion on Hubal.

Is the Trinity Biblical? means Does the Bible (OT & NT) teach the Trinity? If you accept that will be the last stage and everything can progress.

Jibreelk said...

This is what I said

YOU KNOW WHAT MAN YOU AND SAM ARE JUST A BUNCH OF COWARDS WHO TRY TO use reverse psychology on people, however because you are both very uneducated other than in trinitarian philosophy, you don't know how to use it, when and on who.

Are you really joking.... come on man don't make a full out of yourself, as I have all the email exchanges. You guys have confused yourselves too much already, so stop.

We are discussing titles of debates and you cannot impose YOUR TITLE ON ME. I have given you 2 titles well actually 2.5 and I have taken 1.5. I was asking for IS THE TRINITY THE PATH TO GOD, AND IS PAUL A TRUE APOSTEL OR PROPHET

YOU asked for does Islam teach taweed and Is Muhammad a prophet?

TRUE OR NOT? MAN GO AND review all the e mail exchanges... SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GONNA LOOK LIKE A FOOL AND A COWARD AND EXPOSE HIMSELF WILL BE YOU.

HALF OF THE VIDEO EXPOSING YOU GUYS IS READY, SO PLEASE DON'T FORCE ME TO COMPLETE IT.. I HAVE SCREEN CAPTURES OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS, AND I WILL MAKE SURE IT WILL BE A HOLLYWOOD HIT.

Don't play around and give me my 1.5 title ... and you can take your 2.5 title as I have been very generous. You are cowards and you know it and if you don't' accept and you run away from this debate, it will be a shame on you and quite honestly I will feel very sad that WE DIDN'T do this cause I think this would turn out to be a historical debate.

So let's be mature FAIRNESS AGAIN, that's all I'm asking for - or is that not possible with you.. actually I have made many concessions for you.

YOU HAVE PICKED 2 TITLES AND I PICK 2.. ONE AND ONE DEBATE FOLLOWED BY ONE AND ONE.. I gave you that you will start and made concession on my second title and allowed it to be OT teaching trinity...

By the way IF YOU DID NOT carefully read my previous post which you did not this statement

If you think you can show that all of the NT texts which affirm Trinitarianism are innovations and not in the earliest manuscripts or were definitely added later

SHOWS that you did not read my comment and that you are forcing premises on me, which shows that your logic and reason are so flawed.

Please again LET'S DO THIS DEBATE, LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WE HAVE EACHED PICKED 2 TITLES SO PLEASE DON'T TRY TO ASK FOR 3. I HAVE TAKEN MY 2 TITLES, YOU HAVE TAKEN YOURS.

YOU - MUHAMAMD A PROHET? ISLAM TEACH TAWHEED?
I - PAUL A TRUE PROHPET OR APOSTEL? DOES THE OT TEACH THE TRINITY?

DO YOU AGREE? OR ARE YOU SCARED AND YOU CAN BEHAVE FAIRLY?

Jibreelk said...

they said

'm tired of those long emails dude. Tell me when you accept 'Is he Trinity in the Bible (OT & NT). Until then you stall and show you're a coward. I will be waiting.

Jibreelk said...

I said

If you are tired ... then let Sam do the work, what are you his secretary? Stop playing around ... do you accept my 1.5 title and your 2.5 titles? Is that fair? Trinity in the OT period. I choose my title not you.. YOU HAVE CHOSEN YOUR TITLES. Man up.. what kind of child excuses are these man?

People will laugh at you with their backs on what kind of games and impositions you are trying to put on me. YOU ARE TRYING TO PICK MY TITLE AND TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY RIGHTS IN THIS DEBATE. ARE YOU JOKING? YOU GUYS CONSIDER YOURSELF ACADEMIC AND DEMOCRATIC?

Get Sam to accept these debates so we can go ahead....

DO YOU WANT TO DEBATE OR NOT?

This is the last step and we can go ahead.

I'm waiting ... don't e mail me unless you have come to a decision

Anonymous said...

jibreel k, do either of you know hebrew? or are you going to bitch with him and he with you using english translations?

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